I Found Hitler’s Secret UFO Program

The Jesse Michels Podcast

Episode # || 2025-11-01 || 238 minutes

Host Jesse Michaels welcomes philosopher Jason Reza Jorjani back for another wild conversation. The core premise kicks off with a major warning about the deep crisis facing modern civilization. Real philosophy is dying because it has been reduced to boring academic logic chopping instead of big, bold thinking.

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Key Insights

Main ideas and takeaways

  • Reality as an Information Cosmos: Matter, energy, and information are likely three forms of the same fundamental force, suggesting we inhabit a giant, information-processing universe rather than a purely physical one.

  • Data Has Physical Weight: Landauer’s principle reveals that digital data possesses measurable mass, meaning humanity’s exponential data creation could eventually lead to a physical “information catastrophe.”

  • High-Strangeness Glitches: Anomalies like UFO sightings, the “Nordic control system,” and events at Skinwalker Ranch operate as trickster phenomena—bending physics in ways that feel like live edits to the fabric of reality.

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Summary and Insights

True philosophy must tackle strange close encounters, parapsychology, and the upcoming spectral revolution predicted by William James. William James and Henri Bergson were founding leaders of the Society for Psychical Research, and Bergson even debated Albert Einstein on equal footing.

Real philosophy requires linking big ideas across ontology, epistemology, ethics, politics, and aesthetics. Friedrich Nietzsche famously argued that human life is only eternally justified as an aesthetic phenomenon. Immanuel Kant explored the occult in his Critique of Judgment, while Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel showed how evolving artistic styles reflect the human spirit.

Socrates, Ayn Rand, and true philosophers refuse to bow to religious dogmas or state control. Saint Thomas Aquinas was an orthodox theologian rather than a real philosopher, meaning medieval Europe lacked genuine philosophy. The Iranian Renaissance featured thinkers like Al-Farabi who mistakenly equated Muhammad with Plato’s philosopher king, while Al-Razi and Sohrevardi pushed real boundaries.

In the twentieth century, Martin Heidegger, Jean-Paul Sartre, and Ludwig Wittgenstein kept true philosophy alive. Political thinker Leo Strauss admitted he was not a philosopher, declaring Heidegger the only living philosopher of his era.

Esoteric writing appears throughout history when thinkers face persecution. Sir Francis Bacon may have used William Shakespeare as a pen name to write plays like King Lear and his visionary book New Atlantis.

Persian thinker Avicenna made a deathbed confession that religious clerics forced him to warp his true ideas out of fear. Real philosophers constantly risk martyrdom, like Giordano Bruno burned at the stake, Socrates executed, and Pythagoras having his school burned down. Plato barely escaped Syracuse after trying to advise tyrant Dionysius, and Aristotle fled Athens after tutoring Alexander the Great.

Aristotle ran a prototype think tank like the modern RAND Corporation in Santa Monica. He criticized one-world governments, while Alexander embraced Cyrus the Great and Persian cosmopolitanism to found Alexandria.

Modern parallels exist in George Soros and his former understudy Viktor Orban. Jean-Jacques Rousseau argued that philosophers inherently challenge state power. Slavoj Zizek practices critical history, while Jordan Peterson tackles modern cultural ideas.

In On the Uses and Abuses of History for Life, Nietzsche outlined three modes of history: antiquarian, critical, and monumental. Critical history was used by Michel Foucault, who surprisingly endorsed Ayatollah Khomeini. Monumental history uses folklore to nourish future creativity, which Jorjani applied in his book Iranian Leviathan.

Presidential advisor Harold Malmgren revealed holding UFO debris at Sandia given by Jeff Bezos’ grandfather Lawrence Preston Gise. Malmgren confirmed that Area 51 founder Richard Bissell briefed him on the 1933 Magenta crash in Lombardy, Italy.

David Grusch later publicized this 1933 crash, where Pope Pius XII and the Vatican helped back-channel the object to Americans. German engineers at Skoda Works in Prague, under SS General Hans Kammler, studied advanced aerodynamics using suction vents and perforated metal called Luftschwamm.

Colonel Philip J. Corso later documented similar perforated metal, Kevlar, Velcro, night vision, fiber optics, and lasers from the 1947 Roswell crash. German subsidiaries like IBM’s Dehomag were already building miniature transistors in Munich.

Romanian inventor Henri Coanda patented a flying saucer design in 1937. German scientists built Die Glocke, an over-unity device rotating mercury and thorium-232 under high voltage. Researched by Nick Cook in The Hunt for Zero Point and Igor Witkowski, Die Glocke produced counter-bary anti-gravity and severe time displacement.

SS medical officer Ernest Growitz and Walter Gerlach observed plants turning to mulch near the device. The Bell sounded like buzzing bees, leading to its nickname die Bienenstock. In 1944, Nazis integrated the Bell into saucer airframes to create flying saucers.

Otto Skorzeny witnessed demonstrations, and 1946 Spanish broadsheets reported General Franco and Skorzeny launching saucer rockets toward America. This culminated in the 1947 Roswell event, prompting the National Security Act of 1947. Reinhard Gehlen’s SS spy network was absorbed into the OSS and CIA, while Wernher von Braun threatened military officials after a V-2 rocket hit Mexico.

Nazis tested nuclear weapons in Thuringia under Kurt Diebner, Otto Hahn, and Werner Heisenberg. They traded matches for U-235 implosion designs to Leslie Groves and Robert Oppenheimer for the Manhattan Project.

Esoteric Nazis formed the Stuhl Gesellschaft under Karl Maria Wiligut, Heinrich Himmler, Guido von List, and the Thule Society. They sought Stuhl, the Germanic Atlantis, linking it to Mithras worship in Kurdistan. Captain Ritscher led the 1938 Neuschwabenland Antarctic expedition, leading to Admiral Richard Byrd’s 1946 Operation Highjump encounters with subterranean geothermal bases.

Remote viewer Lynn Buchanan encountered Nordic human survivors living in underground American bases. These survivors requested peace from CIA operatives.

The Magenta craft was exfiltrated via ratlines by the Knights of Malta and Reinhard Gehlen’s Monte Carlo group. Hyperdimensional parasites harvest human emotional energy called loosh.

UFO researcher Carla Turner was assassinated with fast-acting cancer after exposing this, joining researchers like Jacques Vallee in Messengers of Deception, Jim Keith, and GI Gurdjieff in Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson, who warned that unawakened humans serve as food for the Moon. Ancient Gnostics warned that Archons and the Demiurge Yaldabaoth trap human souls, as detailed in the Nag Hammadi library.

In Aeschylus’ play Prometheus Bound, Prometheus suffered for gifting technology to humanity. His liver was devoured by Zeus’ eagle, symbolizing the tyrant’s desire for prophetic augury and forethought.

Geopolitical elites orchestrate historical events, such as creating al-Qaeda and the Taliban to collapse the Soviet Union. This led directly to 9/11 and the Neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

The Trickster archetype manipulates reality through absurd disruptions. Mike Clelland documented owl encounters in close encounters, while David Lynch featured surrealist shamanism in Twin Peaks.

Jorjani combines Hermann Hesse’s Magic Theater from Steppenwolf with Antonin Artaud’s Theater of Cruelty to create the Promethean Theater of Cruelty. This tool uses shock and taboo-breaking spectacles to wake human minds from passive slumber.


Philosophical & Cultural Frameworks

The podcast explores how rigid monotheistic control systems try to suppress human agency. Monotheistic systems and Vedantic concepts of Brahman claim an omnipotent entity controls everything, which eliminates human free will.

Christian theologians like Saint Augustine and Thomas Aquinas used verbal tricks to hide this contradiction. In contrast, Gautama Buddha rejected divine determinism, while Friedrich Nietzsche fought against nihilism to promote human vitality, active creation, and cultural evolution.


Conclusion & Takeaways

Listeners must look past mainstream narratives, avoid falling into passive religious submission, and recognize that reality contains deceptive, trickster elements. Embracing a Promethean mindset allows individuals to break through psychological control systems, develop deep philosophical discernment, and claim personal sovereignty.


End List of Key Persons, Books, Historical Events, and Major Concepts

  1. William James & Henri Bergson: Early leaders of the Society for Psychical Research who predicted a spectral scientific revolution, with Bergson debating Albert Einstein.
  2. Prometheus and Atlas: Jason Reza Jorjani’s foundational book analyzing the suppression of parapsychology and close encounters.
  3. Friedrich Nietzsche: German philosopher who advocated for the aesthetic justification of life and monumental history in On the Uses and Abuses of History for Life.
  4. Immanuel Kant: Philosopher who explored the occult in Critique of Judgment while building a hyper-rational moral system.
  5. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel: Idealist philosopher who showed how spirit evolves through changing historical aesthetic styles.
  6. Al-Farabi, Al-Razi, & Sohrevardi: Key figures of the Iranian Renaissance who wrestled with philosophy under religious authority.
  7. Martin Heidegger & Leo Strauss: Twentieth-century thinkers, where Strauss declared Heidegger the only living philosopher of his time.
  8. Sir Francis Bacon & William Shakespeare: Historical figures linked by the theory that Bacon wrote plays like King Lear and the book New Atlantis.
  9. Avicenna (Ebnesina): Persian thinker who made a deathbed confession about warping his writings out of fear of clerics.
  10. Giordano Bruno, Socrates, & Pythagoras: Early philosophical martyrs who faced execution, poisoning, or mob violence for their teachings.
  11. Plato & Aristotle: Ancient Greek philosophers who fled political persecution, with Aristotle creating a prototype think tank and criticizing world government.
  12. Cyrus the Great & Alexander the Great: Historical rulers who built cosmopolitan empires centered around Persian heritage and Alexandria.
  13. Michel Foucault & Iranian Revolution: Critical historian who famously endorsed Ayatollah Khomeini during the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran.
  14. Harold Malmgren & Lawrence Preston Gise: Presidential advisor who handled UFO debris at Sandia provided by Jeff Bezos’ grandfather.
  15. 1933 Magenta Crash & David Grusch: Historical Italian UFO recovery back-channeled by Pope Pius XII and publicized by whistleblower Grusch.
  16. Skoda Works & SS General Hans Kammler: Secret Nazi research facility in Prague where advanced saucer airframes and perforated metal were developed.
  17. Colonel Philip J. Corso (The Day After Roswell): Military officer who claimed Roswell crash debris contained Kevlar, fiber optics, and perforated metal.
  18. Die Glocke & Nick Cook (The Hunt for Zero Point): Secret Nazi device that generated anti-gravity and time displacement through mercury and thorium rotation.
  19. Operation Paperclip & Reinhard Gehlen: Post-war program absorbing the SS spy network into the CIA and West German intelligence.
  20. Operation Highjump & Neuschwabenland: 1938 Antarctic Nazi expedition that led to Admiral Byrd’s 1946 military encounter with subterranean bases.
  21. Lynn Buchanan: Remote viewer who encountered Nordic human survivors living in secret underground American bases.
  22. Loosh Harvesting & Carla Turner: Major concept and researcher who exposed hyperdimensional soul energy harvesting before her suspicious death.
  23. GI Gurdjieff (Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson): Esoteric teacher who warned that unawakened human emotional energy serves as food for the Moon.
  24. Aeschylus (Prometheus Bound): Ancient Greek tragedy depicting Prometheus being chained and having his liver devoured by Zeus’ eagle.
  25. Mike Clelland & David Lynch (Twin Peaks): Researcher who documented owl encounters in UFO lore, and the director who featured surrealist shamanism.
  26. Antonin Artaud & Hermann Hesse: Authors of Theater of Cruelty and Steppenwolf, synthesized by Jorjani into the Promethean Theater of Cruelty.
  27. Spectral Revolution: Core concept asserting that scientific acceptance of psychic abilities will transform human society.
  28. Promethean Revolt: Major concept urging humanity to use technology, forethought, and art to overthrow oppressive archontic control systems.

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